That sound be changes. The issue of what is a dangerous weapon involves fact issues and evidence beyond double edges. Might have trouble if you carried them out and about. Dirks, daggers, push knives, and stilettos are legal. 2d 46 (1980) where the defendant carried a fixed-blade knife concealed while he was in the Lansing, Michigan, City Hall. Arguably Michigan has some of the worst written laws in this country as it relates to knives. Van buren co. And released no charges.? Would it be legal to carry a Benchmade Nimravus in my pants if Im not using it to hurt someone? The prosecution sought review of the remand by the Michigan Supreme Court which reversed the Court of Appeals in its decision People v Lynn, 586 N.W. Nothing was said about swords. Charges dissmissed assaulted by staff twice broke ribs both sides placed in chair noncombative. So it is legal for me to carry a 4, 5, 6 single blade folding knife on my belt as long as i dont carry it with intent to harm? Concealment is not an element of 750.226 Armed with intent to use dangerous or deadly weapon. As long as its not used for unlawful intent, which, by the way, self defense in many situations, is lawful. This page needs to be updated as its incorrect. Dirks, daggers, and spear point knives are also prohibited. Automatic knives (switchblades) are legal in Michigan as of 10-10-2017., michigan has passed legislation that makes switchblades legal. The same prohibition also applies to any other dangerous weapon; or the possession of such items in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person.. What are the implications of these two cases and the law? A machete is not an other dangerous weapon just because defendant knew it could be used as a dangerous weapon. I want to buy one and simply walk around with it but Im not sure if it is illegal or not. Auto knives are illegal in michigan no matter the situation, atleast springloaded one and tension knives. Take this with a grain of salt on legality. A minor could buy a hatchet, steak knives, paring knife or a butcher knife but they are not allowed to purchase a multi tool in an outdoor recreation retailer. Because the minute you use it to defend or offend its now a weapon. You must remember Mi has NO preemption on knife laws, so a knife that is legal in one city or township may not be legal in the next city. Thanks. According the aspects of the machete I would say yes because it could not be a stabbing weapon because it doesnt have a point depending on which type it is. Rather, it eliminated the restriction on any pocketknife which could be opened by means of a mechanical contrivance. and must be un concealed meaning it must be visible at all times. Quotes from the Author of that Bill about MI knife Laws are in that article. Concealed carry, not open carry, open carry is for firearms. Just for clarification though. Hope this helps. SB 245, in late 2017 was signed by Gov. what about something without an edge at all like a sharp kubotan or one of those long thin defense spikes?their technically non folding stabbing implements but they have no sharp edge only a point. I want to know how big the knife can be to have it concealed. On they way out, she was booed by people who were of Irish and Scottish descent. Someone needs to update this site as Senate Bill 245 was pass last year in the state of Michigan. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any one-armed person carrying a knife on his person in connection with his living requirements. After numerous attempts to get it out of here I finally heard from the guy today. Also, note that while it is illegal to carry a double-edged OTF knife (automatic or not), an OTF knife that is NOT double-edged could technically be legal. I have a certain knife in mind but its 6. I guess no state wants to be too damn good in all aspects, or else wed have the right to carry a 3 sword in MI and a the right to carry a concealed handgun (shall issue) in CO. How the hell they can each be so confused about one thing but not the other is beyond belief. I think this ridiculous law spans back to the 1950s due to Hollywood movies such as Rebel Without A Cause and West Side Story. How about exactly what autos will legal or illegal starting next week Wednesday????? Whats the law on that if any? Doesnt this pretty much mean its illegal to carry for any purpose other than hunting? The prohibition on automatic knives was removed in October 2017. Can you carry them as long as they are concealed since they are a double-sided folding knife as compared to a non-folding one? it locks in place once I pull the blade out of the side and I have to push something to drop it back down (its not fast, nor is it supposed to be. Im interested in a defensive push dagger, but with only a single edge. Would it still be legal to carry ? Question-a delivery person left a knife in my house on Sunday, today is Thursday. The law does not have to be confusing (and it was never intended to be) and, hopefully, this article will make it more accessible for the common person. Boot knife is very essential weapon when you are going to hunting or survival in the rain forest. J. because a double edged knife can penetrate an officers bullet proof vest better than a bullet can. It is very ridiculous that this could be a felony or even a misdemeanor to be put on record for anyone. especially after another officer said it WAS legal?? Once again, I ask anyone to correct me if this has changed. Is that correct? Not illegal. Have you checked out the December AKTI online auction knives yet? Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty. Safe to say youd be just fine. Knife laws can change from city to city including and up to outright bans. They confiscated it and said they were turning it over to the district attorney and I would hear from them in a couple weeks. Hopefully you never have to be in this type of situation. QUESTION: I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. So I bought an automatic knife in South Carolina and brought it back to michigan if i put it in my pocket and carry it around will i get in trouble for doing so its folding knife not an otf the blade is a single edge that is 3 and 1/4 inches long. Should I not be so worried/concerned? The Mi Home Rule law will not allow cities the right to penalize for carrying such knives a worse penalty than what the state gives out. If you set out with intent to harm someone it will be an added charge, & they do not need you to commit a crime to charge you, meer implied intent is enough. I have a old hunting Knife my grandpa passed down to me its 10 inches long can I carry it? Spring assisted is okay by my reading. Also wondering would it be considered a switchblade or automatic knife? With assisted knives you dont apply pressure to the blade. According to this, that case dealt with a prison shank. Because a girl that witnessed it tryed to write a statement & didnt think I shouldve stabbed him (stupid b!+h). I feel that this is extremely dangerous for my children and dogs. Sprayed in face mase placed in chair noncombative. non folding stabbing instrument or any other dangerous weapon concealed. hence gravity opening and closing. sounds like, as long as you arent obviously able to over power them using just your body. We suggest a very cautious approach to the concealed carry of any double-edged knife folding or out the front knife in Michigan as it subject to challenge as a dangerous weapon.. Im not sure of your model but those are.the laws. The ban on automatic knives was lifted in Michigan last year. This summary really helps elimate the need to read and reread each line of each statute several times before understanding. Very conflicting information regarding automatic knives. My question is; is this a true law on the books or is this a company policy that Gander Mountain has? Disguised knives like belt knives, pen knives, cane knives, and lipstick knives are legal. Michigan Knife Law Preemption Bill Passes House Judiciary. To further emphasize this point, the case of People v Grandberry in 1980 found that axes (top tomahawks for tactical use) do not qualify as dangerous weapons in this clause since they can not be used to stab others. Anyone has access to them. Laws are interpreted differently by enforcement officers, prosecuting attorneys, and judges. *Rick Fisher. Its not if you win or lose.Its how you play the game*. Also is it legal to carry my hunting knife in a sheath on my belt? Contact your State Representatives and ask them to support a repeal of 750.227, it needs to go! Stated above. Logic does not work in Ottawa county, but according to the US code the title Switchblade does not apply to the action of a spring assisted knife as described below: 15 U.S.C. (Unless it is in the trunk in a case)and the ones than can be in your pocket or accesses easily in a vehicle has to be 3 inches or smaller. Charging me with assault with a deadly weapon without intent to do great bodily harm without intent to murder. So even if carrying it openly, you have to walk from your home to wherever you are going. I think the law changed in about the summer of 2017 to legalize switchblades in MI. Its worded weird but just never tell law enforcement that its for self defense, always say its a tool. I thought there was changes in 2017. I have kids and dogs. Copyright document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) American Knife and Tool Institute, all rights reserved I agree ?%!!! Does Michigan law allow me to carry this in my vehicle? Unlawful carrying offenses under 750.226 and 750.277 are felonies under Michigan law. How old do you have to be for these laws to apply, is there an age limit where a person is not allowed to carry a knife in general? Hunting knives can be concealed, but only if you're hunting, about to hunt, or just left the hunting grounds, but I've heard that doesn't matter. If you take a butter knife and put a razor sharp edge on both sides of it you cannot carry that off your property because thats considered a dangerous weapon now based on the Michigan Statute. Michigan law 750.231 provides exemptions from the 750.227 restriction for law enforcement and military members. Can a 12 year old carry a pocket knife open carried in public in michagain? first? I want to have an EDC backpack. You just dont want to mess with OTF knives. Stay tuned. To me it is a novelty piece ( has painting on the blade. As they say- if it aint legal outside the convention, it aint gonna be legal inside. Duh. Carrying the switchblade knife may be used for some people in their line of work (as a use for box openers), but once used as a weapon for self defense or harm, the laws will be placed. Bowie knives and other large knives are legal. Butterfly knives, also called balisong knives, are legal. Does a m1a1 carbine bayonet count as a doublebladed knife. As a utility knife? 2d 615 (2013). Three questions 1) what is a gravity knife? But many teens accept their fathers pocket knives as a keepsake? Signed into law by Gov. It basically says you cant carry a doubled edged OTF (out the front) knife (only a folding knife) in the State of Michigan. Self defense isn't unlawful, anyway. What happened to the site cordinator!? Remember if you are in a calm state you have the ability to make a better assment of the situation and better determen whether additional force is needed to stop the situation. Swichblade knives are now legal in Michigan. Such knives were restricted under a statute repealed effective in October 2017 which described the prohibited knives as follows: Pocket knife opened by mechanical device, unlawful sale or possession. The prosecutions case was based entirely on possession and the possibility that a machete could be used as a weapon. Can i have a sheathed machete in my vehicle? I feel that this is extremely dangerous for my children and dogs. HB 5286 would ensure that automatic knifes are legal throughout Michigan. I called the state police and city police and no one knew wtf they were talking about. In the 1971 case of People v Iverson, it was found that carrying a hunting knife is not a per se crime unless you are carrying a hunting knife with intent to harm another person. He then went on to exaggerate the blade length by 2 inches in the Police report, with pictures. It might be a stupid question but no one has asked it yet. I didnt know the answer to your question but I did some research today and updated the post to show an answer. Note that double-edged blades, including those in an automatic (switchblade) knife, remain prohibited from concealed carry. You are wrong about not bein able to defend yourself if you feel your life is in danger you should let the attacker you have a knife and you will use it if he/she/They do not stop. 74 likes. Michigan law ( MCL 750.226 ) specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. It had a handle with metalic knuckles. That is illegal and released with no charges probably cause you did nothing and was just seen with it. MCL 750.226 No. The concealment standard in Michigan is based on decisional law. It was To get him off of me once he was off I ran best I could. So by my understanding, the State of Michigan allows me to carry a concealed pistol with as many rounds as I can carry but I cant own a knife that opens with a press of a button. He was pulled over for speeding in August 2019 and the officer saw a long hunting knife between his seats and gave him a ticket for that. Conclusion on Michigan Knife Laws. Out-the-front designs sometimes feature double-edged blades. What is illegal then? So how about butterfly knives? Thats one way Innocent people plead guilty. a gravity knife is a special kind of knife where you turn it upside down and press a button to let gravity deploy the blade. Just talked to a local gun & knife shop owner. The test as set forth in the case of State v Jones 162 N.W. deputies, local city police, and State. SB245 was the culmination of years of effort by Knife Rights and our friends in Michigan including Senator Mike Green, the original sponsor of the bill. Greg offers some great advice here, although it is through the eyes of an Ohio law enforcement officer. Possession in MI of a switchblade is illegal. This would mean that switchblades are legal. Auto Knife law in MI has changed. You can tell that the people who wrote the legislation have no clue about the different types of knives! Other states we have visited have purchase age of 18. Fixed blade of ANY size are a no- no, UNLESS youre hunting and have a hunting license on you. You can own any knife from what I read but if you wish to conceal it as the police about it im sure its a concealable weapon that is legal but make sure you ask first im not a lawyer. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. 750.222a. Michigan knife law changed on October 10, 2017. Knives are not mentioned in 750.224 which pertains to weapons which cannot be manufactured, sold, or possessed. Thats not 100% since Im not a lawyer, but its my best opinion based on my research. 750.227; M.S.A. I have a KA-BAR knife and the blade is 8 inches but is a hunting knife can i still legally carry it with me? Older thread I see. Please update your website as of 2017 all gravity knives are legal in Michigan as are any metallic knuckle. "I've been looking for knife law guides for a while and your articles are amazing. For example, if you live in Seattle, Washington, you must follow Washington states knife laws as well as Seattles knife laws. However, the clause also ends with or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument. What would be included under that? If so is there any limits like length or point? It is deff illegal though, even in your home. Open carry of fixed blades are permissible, but I would advise most of our readers to do so with great care. Please update this as automatic knives are legal now in Michigan. hunting knives can be concealed. We dont know for sure but case law gives us some ideas. Every officer has discretion to do as he sees most appropriate in the moment, and that could go either way. That is illegal. MCL 750.227 No. As of January 2019, Michigan law does not place restrictions on knife length. All states have knife laws (click on the map above to find the knife law for a particular state) but some knife laws by state are more up-to-date than others and local municipals often pass their own knife laws as well. This is a very helpful article. I hate it when people carry knives on their sides. Concealed must be 3 inches or smaller.and carrying in a car is any knife that is not mechanically driven can be carried openly while walking. id pick a more rounded point. Lol. Thanks. I interpret this law as you can carry these things that are typically illegal if its in an inaccessible container in a car. I just pulled this from the Michigan State Legislature website in late November of 2018: 750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty. Thats my story. You can carry both spring assisted (no problem at all) and fully automatic knives in michigan. Sec. Spring assisted knives are legal as long as the blade is under 3 inches and the mechanism to unfold the blade is activated by man (no switches like a switchblade or buttons, it has to be done by hand like a thumb tab). I personally would feel legit even as a concealed knife. That one law says that if the blade is over 3 inches that you can be charged with a felony. double edged otf(out the front, aka switchblades) are illegal in Michigan. I believe it changed in late 2017. Charges were eventually dropped. id like to see anywhere that says you have to have a hunting license to Cary a hunting knife. Not based on the law, this is based on me asking multiple S. Dept. I really wish this would be updated as the law has changed. Because the assailant was in Jackson prison on unrelated charges, so he couldnt/wouldnt testify, the girl who witnessed did not come to court either. 2017, Act 96, Eff. Pocket knife opened by mechanical device; unlawful sale or possession; persons exempted. A flick knife is just what Brits and others in the Commonwealth call a switchblade knife. A hunting knife..which is described as a Stone Knife..or Obsidian Knife. Pocketknives are not restricted under Michigan state law. I cant find the answer anywhere. The only two legal knives accepted as concealed.. (including in a car while accessible)are 1.) It really is not auto, spring or gravity assisted. Nice summary but you missed one very important statement. Help; Main Menu. I could be wrong, but a good way to know for sure would be to ask a cop. They all have pocket clips. Whether a weapon is concealed is an issue to be decided by the jury unless the evidence is clear. This article is now outdated (and always was poorly written). If a knife cannot be used to stab (has no point), it can be carried concealed as long as you do not have the intent to harm someone. You can get a felony just for having a knife that springs open and some you can have but not carry. You can carry single edge knives of any length concealed as long as it folds. Concealed weapons, carrying The Michigan Supreme Court reversed the conviction: Accordingly, we today reaffirm the principles set forth in People v. Vaines and hold that where a defendant is charged with carrying a dangerous weapon contrary to 750.227, the burden is on the prosecution to prove that the instrument carried by the defendant is a dangerous weapon Per se or that the instrument was used, or intended for use, as a weapon for bodily assault or defense. I was told by the officer it was considered like brass knuckles. flipper knives are totally legal. Automatic knives are no longer illegal in Michigan. Not in any precarious situation. Double-edged, nonfolding stabbing instrument defined. It also completely illegal to carry daggers pr knives that we crafted with an intention of tabbing civilians. Double-edged folding knives are uncommon due to practical limitations which involve a sharp edge being exposed when the knife is in the closed position. Get a new knife and support our legislative efforts. And assisted opening knives are legal. please respond thanks. Mount Morris MI, What about throwing knives Can they be consealed carried, so are otf knives illegal to just keep in your home and it never leave the home. I said to the lady, these are just marbles. Lady: I know, but it says slingshot ammo so I need to see your ID. Me: So youre saying that if I walked 6 more aisles and was in the toy section and grabbed the marbles that are in the same exact bag but labeled marbles we wouldnt be doing this? Lady: Thats correct. I love Michigan lol, so is it illegal to carry a spring assisted knife. Dont know if Michigan LE would see it that way, though. Whats the rules pertaining to a machete if you plan to go hiking and use it in the wilderness/ possibly cross state lines into ohio. Dont drive with or walk and conceal anything over 3 inches in length..and you will be good. What do you think my chances of being charged with it are? Also they ran his name & found out he was a chomo/career criminal. I believe its still illegal to use one on someone, though. EXCEPT FOR: NEED to UPDATE THIS PAGE Knife Rights Michigan Switchblade Ban Repeal bill, SB 245, which became effective on October 10, 2017, repealed Section 226a (switchblade ban) of the Michigan penal code originally enacted in 1952. The opinion I read stated that if the user started the motion to open the blade manually and the spring simply reinforced (assisted) that motion, it was not an automatic knife. and yes as long as it is concealed and not used for unlawful meanings. The defendant in the Brown case had a machete protruding from under the seat of his car when he stopped by officers for running a red light. He was convicted of violating 750.227 (1) on the charge that the machete was a dangerous weapon. I did go to jail & have to post bond. People v Brown, 406 Mich 215, 223 (1979)., Is it illegal to have a knife with a blade over 3 inches in my possession? This is discussed in more detail below. It says except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, you need to also have a hunting or a fishing license on you or in the vehicle, and it must not be concealed. as well as a knife. I believe you have to be atleast 15 in michigan. Automatic and assisted opening knives may feature double-edged blades since I can only guess this would fall under similar cercomstances as a concealed carry fire arm or even an open carry for that matter. you can carry an out the front knife as long as it only has a single edge, LEO and Military are authorized to have a double edged OTF knife in michigan however. 5.) Get yourself another knife to carry in Michigan and leave your switchblade at home. Mine is here, were both from Michigan about 40 years old. They also helped me save $30! My son moved to Michigan last Spring. Spring-assisted knives (switchblades, automatic, etc.) Id definitely fight a charge in court, based on what Im reading here. You should update this article, automatic knives are now legal in Michigan. The state prohibits automatic knives and out the front knives. Exceptions to 750.224, 750.224a, 750.224b, 750.224d, 750.227, 750.227c, and 750.227d YES THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. Stopped into Walmart after a gig and was harrased by some lady saying she was offended that I was wearing it. Note that this is not legal advice and there is no client-attorney relationship. are legal. Itd be nice if prosecutors and police were actually held liable for knowing the laws they are enforcing. Knife laws in my opinion are just ridiculous. Would a cop charge you anyway? In at least two places it says they are illegal and in at least 3 says they are legal. I recently purchased a double edge karambit with a belt holster from, but was unclear on the difference between open and conceal carry. Thumb studs would seem more suspect than such a blade design. can I carry a knife (2.5 inch blade) that locks? With no intent to harm of course. Michigan law is unquestionably restrictive of fixed blade or nonfolding stabbing instruments but does not specifically address moveable or non-fixed blade double-edged knives. Any legal opinions available? He recently got arrested and they are trying to get a felony on him for his buck knife. Well, we must first find out what other dangerous weapon means. is this legal? Once on site these could be carried, but required what was referred to as Peace Tied. The evidence concerning the knives included the fact that the while knives were double-edged, and not designed for stabbing, they could be used to stab. 750.227. I bought a knife to carry and or show off I live in upper Michigan and bought this offline with the description that it was a spring assisted not an automatic but if I look up automatic knives it will come up with this knife model whats the deal with that can I carry it or not? A gravity knife is a knife or you only push a button and if you hold it upside down the blade will eject but if you hold it straight up the blade or retract only thing that pulls it out is momentum and gravity. The curve on them should prevent them from being considered a stabbing knife. No such ordinance is noted in Grand Rapids. Can I keep it in my pocket or do I have to have it clipped to a belt in plain site. I stabbed him twice, arm & stomach, & cut his neck once (he stabbed himself with it the arm a 3rd time thrashing around so much) so 4 total contacts with 2 blade. 750.231. Am I legal to carry in relatively plain view in my car when not on my belt/hip? If need be do it yourself. I suspect the Guardfather spike weapon would also fall under that definition as well. Are you referring to a concealed one? I read through the laws myself a few months ago when I was in the market for a fixed blade to camp with. Example I have a hunting blade that is about 11 inches long with a hilt and it is pointed would it be illegal for be to conceal carry it in the State of Michigan as well as what will differ from a blade that is illegal because its pointed but a hunting knife is pointed so please some help. 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